Monday, October 29, 2012

Can the Prophet Lead us Astray? A Stake President responds

While Jesus warned of false prophets in the last days one thing that has helped strengthen my testimony of the restored gospel is that those who have stood as Presidents of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have always assured us that they will never lead us astray.
The scriptures warn that “cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh” which is why I only put my trust in the prophet.  
The scriptures record the words of President Wilford Woodruff who said “The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray.”
Those who oppose the Church know that if they can successfully show that a Church President has indeed led the people astray then we, his followers, would have to conclude either that the Lord is a liar or even more preposterous still - that the leaders of His Church aren’t really speaking on His behalf. 
One who attempts to confuse members in such a manner is a young man named David Twede. 
If there is one thing I, as a Stake President, cannot understand it is when disaffected members feel the need to write blogs in condemnation of the Lord’s Church and its chosen and anointed leaders. 
Twede not only has his own blog but is also involved in the website which is a site dedicated to exposing historical facts about the Church that are not in harmony with the restored gospel.  
Twede not only dares to suggest that the Lord has gone against His own promise in permitting those who stand as president’s of the Church to lead members astray, but he provides what on the surface, to the untrained eye, looks like good evidence. 
His blog post deals with the sensitive issue of the Lord not permitting those of the Negro race to hold the priesthood until 1978.  Twede quotes from a recent statement in the Mormon newsroom where it says, "It is not known precisely why, how, or when this restriction began in the Church but what is clear is that it ended decades ago...We condemn racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church."
Twede says, “This statement is very profound. It tacitly admits that the previous statement, that the Lord won’t allow a prophet to lead the members astray, is false.”
As evidence he puts links to quotes from past prophets as given on  Twede wrongfully assumes that if the Church today condemns racist messages from past Church President’s, then this must mean that past Church President’s led the people astray. 
I will correct Brother Twede in his assumptions but let’s first start with the following quote from our past beloved Church President Joseph Fielding Smith:
"Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness he became the father of an inferior race. A curse was placed upon him and that curse has been continued through his lineage and must do so while time endures. Millions of souls have come into this world cursed with a black skin and have been denied the privilege of Priesthood and the fullness of the blessings of the Gospel. These are the descendants of Cain. Moreover, they have been made to feel their inferiority and have been separated from the rest of mankind from the beginning.... we will also hope that blessings may eventually be given to our negro brethren, for they are our brethren-children of God-not withstanding their black covering emblematical of eternal darkness.”  The Way to Perfection, pages 101-102.
Here is another quote from Smith:
"There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages, while another is born white with great advantages. The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient, more or less, to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there received greater blessings here, and those who were not faithful received less." Doctrines of Salvation, volume 1, page 61.
The first question we must ask and that I, as a Stake President, will answer is ‘are official statements made by the Church Newsroom (and which in this case condemn past racism in the Church) actually official?’ 
In order to correctly answer this I will have to speak very frankly and openly with you.  While the Church has no official position on the matter, I happen to know that leaders desperately want Mitt Romney to become the president of The United States of America.  Since Romney is a member of the one true Church the people of America are naturally very interested in finding out exactly what he believes.  So when articles are written that portray our teachings in a negative light it is important for the public relations arm of the Church to quickly smooth things over. 
One must ask oneself whether the people of America would rather vote for someone who believes that black people are ‘children of God-not withstanding their black covering emblematical of eternal darkness’ or are they more likely to vote for someone who’s Church denounces  “any and all past racism by individuals in the Church?”  The answer is obvious.
And thus we see that as marketing specialists the job of the public relations folk is to make our religion seem more palatable to the outside observer.  I personally commend them on the fine job they are doing in this regard.
But let’s keep one thing in mind.  These statements on the Church Newsroom were not signed by the First Presidency nor did a Church leader get up in General Conference to read and endorse them.  No.  Because General Conference is for those who are already members while the Church Newsroom is for the general public.   And thus as faithful members we can be assured that our past leaders did not lead us astray. 
But let’s play devil’s advocate and just pretend for a minute that it was completely wrong of the 15 white men at the head of this Church to not allow blacks to hold the priesthood and that this was indeed racist, as the newsroom article suggests.  If this were the case then would Brother Twede be correct in stating that the prophet has, in the past, led us astray?  
Well let’s first define the true meaning of being led astray.  To lead someone astray means to guide a person down a path that will not result in their eternal salvation.  Would anyone’s eternal salvation have been at risk if blacks should have been allowed to hold the priesthood but were denied this right?  Of course not!  The black man that joined the Church through baptism and led a life of service to the Lord will not be denied eternal salvation by a loving father in heaven just because the prophet at the time mistakenly thought that their skin colour was ‘emblematical of eternal darkness’.  Nor would the white man’s salvation be jeopardized by this policy.  All are equal in the sight of the Lord.
And thus we see that past presidents and prophets of the Church have not led and will never be permitted to lead astray those of us who follow him.  On the contrary it is people like Brother Twede who seek to lead people astray.  We must keep one thing in mind, and it is that Twede is an apostate.  Not many know this so I will just tell you straight out that he was on the verge of being excommunicated from the Church by loving priesthood leaders for his involvement in
Rather than humbly and bravely facing the consequences of his actions like a man Brother Twede ran off to an ex-Mormon conference and amongst cheers and applauds sent an email to Church headquarters asking for his name to be removed from the records of the Church.  This received certain media attention:
Such actions show that Twede was and is under the influence of Satan and therefore any evidence he produces to show that Church President’s have led us astray cannot be trusted and must be ignored.
Brothers and Sisters as a Stake President I can assure you that the President of the Church will never lead us astray.  We can follow him with full purpose of heart knowing that even if in years to come his policies are deemed discriminatory by the public relations arm of the Church, we who have faithfully sustained and followed him will be eternally blessed. 
This is my assurance that I give unto you in the name of Jesus Christ, amen


Anonymous said...


This is NOT a website sanctioned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Further, "President Paternoster" is not an actual stake president within the Church.

Rather, the content of this site varies from farce to pointed criticism [which is, at times, painfully accurate].

Many, but not necessarily all, of the posts are written in mockery of those who are sincerely striving, albeit imperfectly, to follow Jesus.

Caveat utilitor.

Unknown said...

The current Church leadership is in a bind. They cannot come out and publicly apologize for past policies, because it would show that leaders did in fact lead the Church astray for 150 odd years. What to do, what to do...oh yes, use the members' tithes to keep that PR machine running.

Strangerbird said...

Exactly the same argument applies in the case of polygamy. Anyone who believes that institution was a temporary expedient authorised by the Lord, to cater for an excess of females in the Church, should read Sarah Barrington Granger's book 'The Mormon Question'. Plural marriage has been deemed by some that understand the conflict (of over half a century) between the LDS Church and the Federal Government, as one of the twin-evils that afflicted America in the mid-nineteenth century. And we all know what the other one was. Besides, if polygamy is wrong now, as LDS leaders stress, what was it that made it right in the nineteenth century? Is the conclusion not inevitable that Brigham Young misled the membership?

James said...

President Woodruff was quite the comedian, "I'm the Prophet, and I won't lead you astray. You can know this is true because I said so, and I am the Prophet, and I won't lead you astray. You know this is true because I said so, and I am the Prophet, and I won't lead you astray. You know this is true because I said so, and I am the Prophet, and I won't lead you astray. You know this is true because I am the Prophet, and I won't lead you astray..."

And this is the rally-cry of every LDS prophet prior to and after him.

mahonri kimball said...

It is wonderful to be a member of the one and only true Church on the face of the Earth. Having a knowledge of the true and unchangeable gospel is a marvelous blessing. God is the same God from Everlasting to Everlasting or he would cease to be God.

God would never let our (living) prophet lead us astray. Some of the dead ones have been slightly off track, but you can't go wrong by following God's living prophet.

Mabel Odmanthorpe said...

You truly are a man of God, President.How can I get to join your Stake? I will agree to move anywhere, just so as to fall within the bounds of a priesthood holder who is not afraid to say it the way the Lord would want.

Anonymous said...

!Yo se esta iglesia es verdadera porque me lo a dicho mi obispo cuando le entregaba mis diezmos.Yo se que esto es verdad porque los misioneros tambien me lo han dicho y el mormon dice que j.smith queria a los negros y por ese motivo no les dio el sacerdocio para que descansaran y no trabajaran tanto.

Your Former Facebook Friend said...

I am saddened to see that you are no longer on Facebook. Why the change? I miss your inspiration so much! Is there no other way to contact you besides your blog?

Thumper lumpa said...

Dearest President,

Slightly off topic but I wonder if you could possibly direct my understanding of the following concept in your usual wise and wonderful way.

As we all know, blacks are unholy beings, naughty and sinful in their premortal lives and as a result deserving of a curse of darkness. Firstly I must say how absolutely grateful I am that I did not rebel in my first estate and therefore get to experience the joys and expense of self tan lotion and sunbed abuse. I am happy that when I look at myself in the mirror naked (forgive this weakness) after our seasonal holidays, I have a skin which resembles neopolitan ice cream (the vanilla being my torso which naturally remained covered with the holy garments of the Lord and therefore protected from the evils of sun damage. 9Whoever doubts their saving properties is genuinely deceived).

What I am a little unhappy with my HF about though is the fact that along with the skin of a dark and loathsome shade he seems also to have bestown upon many of these depraved men a disproportionately large vessel with which to dispurse their evil white woman killing seed.

This hardly seems like justice to me. I know life isn't supposed to be fair (just worth it - or is that the Loreal advert?) but as a divinely righteous daughter of our Heavenly Father, who was on the front line chanting for his plan as that devil Lucifer suggested his get rich quick scheme....I feel somewhat aggrieved.

Do you think that if I pray hard enough I could achieve a reversal of fortune for my own delightsomely white, palid and small in some departments husband? If God was able to remove the mark of Cain from some men as they bacame more righteous, could he conversely fix it for my eternal companion's sacred organ to go a little the other way? and just how naughty and depraved would we need to become to receive this curse?

Eagerly awaiting your reply.

AlexisAR said...

I spend quite a lot of time [and money:( ] in a tanning salon in the winter months. I've been told that this practice is medically unsound and may lead to skin cancer, premature aging of skin, and a host of other afflictions.

A friend suggested to me that, were I not quite so righteous, my skin might lose just a little of its white-and-delightsomeness. What do you think? Could sinning work just as well for me, consmetically speaking, as a tanning salon? I could give [part of] the money I save to The Church.

P.S. Of course I will repent of any sins I commit in the name of self-tanning once I become old enough to let my appearance go.

P.P.S. Do you think the tan I would get via sinning would be a nice, even tan?

David Twede said...

You're wrong about me, President. I am not that young. I even have some gray hair now, after the past month.

Unknown said...

Why president do you keep attacking people for telling the truth about our church's origins? You should be offering them counseling to deal with being duped all their lives.

Anonymous said...

Your blog entry mentions nothing about what Presidents of the church have done and said that are contrary, incorrect or wrong. Presidents can be wrong. We are all human and in fact fallible. I have been Mormon my entire life and my testimony is not built around books or men. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young both stated not to trust the words from any mans mouth especially the presidents of the church and that personal prayer and discernment was important. They recognize they are human beings. We should recognize the same.

1 said...

Wonderful counsel! Here is the reason the ban on blacks was always a false doctrine. Ironically at the same time it was in place it was contradicted by another opposing and TRUE doctrine.

Unknown said...

I am a white male.
2 of my closest friends are black males.

What to do?
Are they really cursed?
Will they lead me away from Jeezus?

I have wondered why my skin is darkening as I age.

Any input, oh Great Steak President, will be appreciated!!!


Anonymous said...

But the prophets HAVE led us astray. Example: Brigham Going taught the Adam god theory many times during conference and it and the blood atonment were incorporated in the endowment until later prophet said these were false teaching and disavowed them and removed the elements from the endowment. What more must a prophet do to Ljubljana radioactive us a stray if its not teaching false doctrine in conference and incorporating it into sacred, eternal ordinances? Even Fair admits this was a mistake but says it was a one time anomaly. If we have an example that a prophet has led us astray, isn't one confirmed example which is acknowledged by the church enough to disregard the quote "the prophet will NEVER lead the church astray? "